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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Hardy is in (Karl Larsen)
  2. Re: Forget Hardy (Res)
  3. Re: best graphical mode on ubuntu 8.04 server (David Curtis)
  4. Re: not able to connec to the internet (Bart Silverstrim)
  5. Re: Similar Experience/Forget Hardy (David Fox)
  6. Re: Forget Hardy (Bart Silverstrim)
  7. Re: Vista (running ubuntu) (John Cavan)
  8. Re: not able to connec to the internet (Bart Silverstrim)
  9. Re: Hardy is in (CJ Kelley)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:51:32 -0600
From: Karl Larsen <k5di@zianet.com>
Subject: Re: Hardy is in
To: philsexton@skybest.com, "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for
       general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <48507314.9060104@zianet.com>
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Phil Sexton wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
>
>> I have Hardy d/l and will see how it loads later. From all the problems
>> seen so far I have reason to wonder if it will work.
>>
>
> I installed it on 2 boxen here and only one quirk with a
> SoundBlaster Audigy sound card.
>
> BTW, did you get caught counterfeiting when you ran a company that
> made money? };-}
>
> I had to earn all my money...
>
>
   No but it seemed that I had to work hard and then meet the payroll
when the customer has not paid yet. These are the joys of being owner.
But when it was all over there was a lot of money for me. My wife and I
have enough even with $4.00 gasoline. But the USA is going broke fast. I
may not have enough for that.

Karl


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       Linux User
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:57:01 +1000 (EST)
From: Res <res@ausics.net>
Subject: Re: Forget Hardy
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Patton Echols wrote:

> On 06/11/2008 02:58 AM, Res wrote:
>> That is why people who only generate noise (those telling others to RTFM
>> etc) should STF up and not comment
>
> Uhh, well, just saying "RTFM" or "google is your friend" is not
> helpful.  But far more often what I see is here is:
>
> "RTFM, try $man fm"  or
> "google is your friend: http://link.to.fm"
>
> Frankly that IS helpful.  When a noob emails the list  and says: "how do
> I get foo working?"  That is probably all they want to know, but they
> NEED to know how to figure it out.   So giving a link to the FM is
> actually pretty good advice.

Perhaps this indicates the web site and wiki's need fine tuning.

> If you think there is a lot of ranting, or that this list is
> intimidating, then you have lead a sheltered life.  Try a newsgroup like
> alt.comp.security.  The regulars there can be very informative, but some

I'm on 27 mailing lists yielding me about 1300 messages a day, and over a
dozen usenet groups, my time is limited, I do not live on them because I
have a life, if I culled the "generated noise' the lsits traffic would be
about 400, and I could spend more time paying attention to them, when I
dont because I have to skim into the other 900 messages to ensure they are
not noise.

> will make a smoldering ruin out of those who don't do a little bit of
> homework before posting.

You'll find most do, but I have already agreed with others that there
exists and element that want it all delivered to them on a silver platter
with them doing no work.


--
Cheers
Res

I read usenet and lists in pine. But m$ outlook, thunderbird and gmail
often use html span/whatever for quotes, makes it hard to tell who said
what, so I dont try. If I ignore you, thats why! Use a compliant mailer.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:08:04 -0400
From: David Curtis <dcurtis@uniserve.com>
Subject: Re: best graphical mode on ubuntu 8.04 server
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <485076F4.7050604@uniserve.com>
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Jeffrey Tooker wrote:
> Carl Friis-Hansen wrote:
>> Donny George wrote:
>>
>>> hey steve
>>>
>>> i did the command and the screen went on scrolling with so many packages
>>> or something. and now its kind of stuck like and says Reloading system
>>> log daemon and once i press enter i just get the prompt.
>>>
>>> is this some kind of error
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> donny
>>>
>> Sounds like all went well, so:
>> sudo shutdown -r now
>> should get you restarted.
>>
>>
> Carl:
>
> I picked up on this list at some time the use of "Control Alt Backspace"
> for restarting. I use when xorg reverts to default resolution at
> startup. One extra try and xorg usually comes up in my desired
> resolution. Is there a reason not to use "Control Alt Backspace"?
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
Hey Jeff,

Ctrl-Alt-Bksp restarts X and you lose all data as all X apps are
terminated or killed(?). To change resolutions maybe a Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+
would be better. But to be honest I have no idea why a Ctrl-Alt-Bksp (X
restart) would change resolutions? Maybe the new way 8.04 handles xorg
configuration causes this (are you using 8.04?). I don't think this is a
bad thing, Ctrl-Alt-Bksp, but a bit of a waste of time compared to
Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+.

Of course the next question is how to make xorg start in the resolution
of your choosing. Try 'sudo displayconfig-gtk'.



Dave
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:20:04 -0400
From: Bart Silverstrim <bsilver@chrononomicon.com>
Subject: Re: not able to connec to the internet
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <485079C4.3000609@chrononomicon.com>
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Felipe DOMINGUEZ wrote:
> That will be the last thing :-) I will even spend money on another modem
> before going back. :-) :-)
>
> I really think is some thing with the modem I have. it has an Alcatel chip.
> The information provided by NoOp sais that the EciAdsl driver do not support
> the alcatel chip.
>
> I have found a driver that seems to support it,
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=86112
>
> but I cannot compile it, it gives some errors.
>
> I think I will buy an ethernet mothem/ router, if possible something that
> is  wireless as well as wired :-)

You can do what I do...I have a DSL modem that connects via Ethernet to
a SOHO router (linksys, dlink, whatever brand) and that router handles
wireless and 4 ports wired for the network. Windows, Linux, OS
X...doesn't matter. It's just an ethernet connection.

-Bart



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:26:14 -0700
From: "David Fox" <dfox94085@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Similar Experience/Forget Hardy
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> wrote:

>    Still trying to figure out when that change went into effect and whom,
> exactly, thought it was a good idea.  I mean the traditional method is
> that the position in the chain determines the letter and the partition

I don't think sda5 could automagically become sda2, but I've had this
happen, but only recently on my new system rebuild. I have one 500 gig
drive (currently sdc) because I have two other older IDE drives hooked
up (hda and hdb), but I'm not actively using them - they're there to
bring files off when or if I need them.

But if I boot another distro (like a live cd rom of sabayon or sidux)
those drive assignments change, and I have to sit on my hands and
think "which drive am I really going to talk to"??

I can see this happening on removables such as usb sticks, but for
non-removable feed disks those things should be able to stay put.


> Steve Lamb



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:31:22 -0400
From: Bart Silverstrim <bsilver@chrononomicon.com>
Subject: Re: Forget Hardy
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <48507C6A.6050809@chrononomicon.com>
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Ari Torhamo wrote:
> ke, 2008-06-11 kello 10:38 -0400, Bart Silverstrim kirjoitti:
>> Oliver Grawert wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> Am Mittwoch, den 11.06.2008, 09:54 -0400 schrieb Bart Silverstrim:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> You're talking about the spirit of Ubuntu. The spirit of Ubuntu doesn't
>>>> include encouraging ignorance and reliance on others. It means sharing
>>>> information and learning to make you a better person for the experience.
>>>>
>>> but also to get this information across in a respectful human way ...
>> Dammit, there goes my brainworms idea. Respectful, but not quite human.
>>
>> Would it be fair to say you just want people to be nice in answering
>> questions unless provoked?  good summary, yeah? No?
>>
>> Again...I really don't think the concerns you're voicing are really
>> common on this list, but maybe I'm missing something. I'm not really
>> here to pick a fight with you :-)
>
>
> You seem to be missing yourself. This is what you said yesterday:
>
> "?Everyone gets a lashing here at some point. You keep trying to learn
> and grow a thicker skin and you'd be fine".

I remember saying that...but...how does this contradict what I said in
the quote before? I was asking you if it would be fair to sum up your
position as you want people to be nice in answering questions unless the
answerers are provoked...you're quoting my statement that everyone on
the list gets a lashing at some point and you just end up chalking it up
as something that's going to happen. No?

The part beginning "again..." was a reference to the overall topic
argument in the first place; I don't recall seeing this behavior as
common, everyday occurrences. This is probably the part you were just
referring to; respectfully, I submit this elaboration: everyone ends up
feeling like they are (or really do get) attacked on this list at some
point, but I don't think it's a common event. I don't post here, and I
don't think most of the people on the list, post here expecting to be
abused for it, and there are usually circumstances or some provocation
when it does happen.

Is that fair?



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:33:44 -0400
From: John Cavan <john@damncats.org>
Subject: Re: Vista (running ubuntu)
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
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NoOp wrote:
> On 06/11/2008 09:52 AM, NoOp wrote:
> Well so much for kvm :-(
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
>
> KVM requires a processor that supports 'virtualization' & when I run:
>
> egrep '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo
>
> I receive nothing back. So I reckon that I'm out of luck. I'll just
> stick with VirtualBox for now.

AMD and Intel started adding virtualization support in 2005/2006 and I
think all of the dual/quad core processors support it. Wikipedia has a
pretty good article on the introduction at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization if you're interested.
It's pretty much assured that the next machine you buy will support it.

John



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:36:06 -0400
From: Bart Silverstrim <bsilver@chrononomicon.com>
Subject: Re: not able to connec to the internet
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <48507D86.6000803@chrononomicon.com>
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Felipe DOMINGUEZ wrote:
> sorry I get lost with this commands.
>
> as i said  I am new to linux.
>
> I have run them but I don?t seem to see any strange thing

Sorry...at this point I don't know what avenue you're pursuing (new
router?), but if you want, try posting the contents of
"dmesg | tail"
and
"ifconfig"
at the point when you run the connection commands but can't get on the
network.

Then try posting the contents of
"tail /var/log/messages"

Anyone with a USB modem similar to this know what log may have messages
for debugging the connection for him to post?



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:11:11 -0600
From: "CJ Kelley" <debiani386@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hardy is in
To: "Ubuntu user technical support,     not for general discussions"
       <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID:
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Karl Larsen <k5di@zianet.com> wrote:

> I have Hardy d/l and will see how it loads later. From all the problems
> seen so far I have reason to wonder if it will work.
>
> Karl
>
> --
>
>        Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
>        Linux User
>        #450462   http://counter.li.org.
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>
> I just installed it the other day on my Toshiba Satellite a200 and it works
perfectly. everything worked out of the box.

besides if you do have a problem, just post it here. we are more then happy
to help you...thats what were here for :P

--cj

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