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Availability Announcement 2005-03-24 - By Jay Lee
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Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:
>On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 13:47 -0500, Jay Lee wrote:
>
>
>>taroon-list@(protected) wrote:
>>
>>
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>>>- Driver updates including 3c59x, 3w-xxxx, 8139too,
>>> b44, cciss, e100, e1000, tg3.
>>>
>>>
>>I've already submitted a bugzilla over this but it'd be nice to see
>>sk98lin updated also (see
>>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=143451). sk98lin
>>is currently in kernel-unsupported. The current version does not
>>support many of the newer cards including the SMC 32-bit gigabit card
>>and newer motherboards like the ABIT KV8.
>>
>>
>
>The problem here is that sk98lin is not supported. If we add support for
>newer cards to that driver, it implies that we're, well, supporting it.
>
>Thats not to say that it won't happen (its not my call), but it
>certainly sets bad precedent for other requested fixes to
>kernel-unsupported, and is one of the reasons that RHEL 4 doesn't have a
>kernel-unsupported.
>
>
Providing updated patches and providing support are separate issues in
my mind at least. You mean to tell me that none of the code in
kernel-unsupported has been touched since RHEL3 gold? I do of course,
understand RedHat's reasons for having kernel-unsupported, in my case
though, I pull updates from RHN automatically and recompiling the 3rd
party driver each time means more downtime and no unattended reboots at
4am and that's if I actually realize the kernel's been updated, it
really mucks things up when I don't notice a kernel update, a week goes
by, the server gets rebooted by another admin (who doesn't do Linux) and
the NIC is suddenly unsupported by the new kernel. This is of course
all my problem and not RedHat's, heck it's academic licenses so there's
only kernel-unsupported for me :) I solved this issue in a few boxes by
upgrading to RHEL4 where sk98lin is updated (and supported apparently)
but a few boxes were a pain to setup with RHEL3 (dumb vendors that still
live in the RH7.3 days) and I have no desire to try their code on RHEL4
anytime soon. Maybe I'll see if I can throw a e1000 in those boxes
sometime. What is the RHEL4 solution in place of kernel-unsupported?
Jay
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Network / Systems Administrator
Information Technology Dept.
Philadelphia Biblical University
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Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 13:47 -0500, Jay Lee wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:taroon-list
@(protected)">taroon-list@(protected)</a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">- Driver updates including 3c59x, 3w-xxxx, 8139too,
b44, cciss, e100, e1000, tg3.
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">I've already submitted a bugzilla over this but it'd be nice
to see
sk98lin updated also (see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla
/show_bug.cgi?id=143451">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id
=143451</a>). sk98lin
is currently in kernel-unsupported. The current version does not
support many of the newer cards including the SMC 32-bit gigabit card
and newer motherboards like the ABIT KV8.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
The problem here is that sk98lin is not supported. If we add support for
newer cards to that driver, it implies that we're, well, supporting it.
Thats not to say that it won't happen (its not my call), but it
certainly sets bad precedent for other requested fixes to
kernel-unsupported, and is one of the reasons that RHEL 4 doesn't have a
kernel-unsupported.
</pre>
</blockquote>
Providing updated patches and providing support are separate issues in
my mind at least. You mean to tell me that none of the code in
kernel-unsupported has been touched since RHEL3 gold? I do of course,
understand RedHat's reasons for having kernel-unsupported, in my case
though, I pull updates from RHN automatically and recompiling the 3rd
party driver each time means more downtime and no unattended reboots at
4am and that's if I actually realize the kernel's been updated, it
really mucks things up when I don't notice a kernel update, a week goes
by, the server gets rebooted by another admin (who doesn't do Linux)
and the NIC is suddenly unsupported by the new kernel. This is of
course all my problem and not RedHat's, heck it's academic licenses so
there's only kernel-unsupported for me :) I solved this issue in a few
boxes by upgrading to RHEL4 where sk98lin is updated (and supported
apparently) but a few boxes were a pain to setup with RHEL3 (dumb
vendors that still live in the RH7.3 days) and I have no desire to try
their code on RHEL4 anytime soon. Maybe I'll see if I can throw a e1000
in those boxes sometime. What is the RHEL4 solution in place of
kernel-unsupported?<br>
<br>
Jay<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jay Lee
Network / Systems Administrator
Information Technology Dept.
Philadelphia Biblical University
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